We talk with Peg­gy Oren­stein about her book, Unrav­el­ing: What I Learned About Life While Shear­ing Sheep, Dye­ing Wool, and Mak­ing the World’s Ugli­est Sweater.

But first, Katy Simp­son Smith tells us about her new nov­el, The Weeds. It weaves his­to­ry, botany, fem­i­nism and the cli­mate cri­sis togeth­er into a com­pelling and sharply fun­ny tale.