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After Immunity

Episode 7: The Next Pandemic After Immunity

Giv­en the events that have unfold­ed, how might we pre­pare for the next pan­dem­ic? What lessons have we learned from the COVID-19 pan­dem­ic and what insur­ance and risk mit­i­ga­tion poli­cies should gov­ern­ments put in place?

Today on our final episode we exam­ine the next pan­dem­ic after immu­ni­ty. Join us as we talk with Dr. Allan Det­sky, physi­cian and pro­fes­sor of Health Pol­i­cy Man­age­ment and Eval­u­a­tion at the Uni­ver­si­ty of Toron­to and for­mer Physi­cian-In-Chief at Mount Sinai Hos­pi­tal; and Dr. Char­lotte Ham­mer, a field epi­demi­ol­o­gist at the Euro­pean Cen­tre for Dis­ease Pre­ven­tion and Con­trol, and research affil­i­ate with the Uni­ver­si­ty of Cam­bridge Cen­tre for the Study of Exis­ten­tial Risk.

The intro­duc­to­ry state­ment starts at 0:40

Allan Detsky’s inter­view starts at 4:09 (Inter­view Tran­script)

Char­lotte Hammer’s inter­view starts 35:22 (Inter­view Tran­script)

Out inter­mis­sion music comes cour­tesy of Human Music. The track is Tea Leaves” from their 2018 self-titled release. Be sure to check out more tunes at their Band­camp: https://​human​mu​sic​.band​camp​.com

If you have any thoughts or com­ments on the episode, please email us at after.​immunity@​umfm.​com

A big thanks to Jared McK­e­ti­ak, Neil Krae­mer, Theo Blum­rich, Lind­sey Nadon, Jon­ah Kotzer, and Glen and Janine for their help with the series; all of our guests for pro­vid­ing their thoughts on the post-COVID-19 world; and you the lis­ten­er for tun­ing in these last few weeks!


  • Dr. Allan Detsky

    Dr. Detsky is a physician and professor of Health Policy Management and Evaluation at the University of Toronto. A Member of the Order of Canada, he was the Physician-In-Chief at Mount Sinai Hospital in Toronto during the SARS outbreak of 2003.

  • Dr. Charlotte Hammer

    Dr. Charlotte Hammer is an emergency public health and infectious diseases epidemiologist. She is a fellow with the European Programme for Intervention Epidemiology Training at the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control, as well as a research affiliate with the University of Cambridge’s Centre for the Study of Existential Risk. Her speciality is in contextual factors that drive outbreak risk, particularly of emerging zoonotic diseases.