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After Immunity

Episode 6: The Urban Environment After Immunity

How will Canada’s urban envi­ron­ments evolve in a post-COVID-19 world? What will be the role of pub­lic trans­port in that future? Addi­tion­al­ly, how might work­places and busi­ness­es change in the long-term because of the pandemic?

On today’s episode we explore the urban envi­ron­ment after immu­ni­ty. Join us as we talk with Shau­na Brail, Asso­ciate Pro­fes­sor at the Insti­tute for Man­age­ment & Inno­va­tion, Uni­ver­si­ty of Toron­to; and Ben­jamin Gillies, a Research Fel­low at the MIT Urban Mobil­i­ty Lab, and down­town Win­nipeg entrepreneur.

The intro­duc­to­ry state­ment starts at 0:43

Shau­na Brail’s inter­view starts at 3:53 (Inter­view Tran­script)

Ben­jamin Gillies’ inter­view starts at 36:27 (Inter­view Tran­script)

Our inter­mis­sion music comes cour­tesy of Merin. The track is Sta­sis in the City” from their 2019 EP, Coral Island”. Be sure to check out more tunes at their Band­camp: https://​mer​in​mu​sic​.band​camp​.com

If you have any thoughts or com­ments on the episode, please email us at after.​immunity@​umfm.​com


  • Shauna Brail

    Shauna Brail is an Associate Professor at the Institute for Management & Innovation, University of Toronto Mississauga and is a Senior Associate at the Innovation Policy Lab in the Munk School of Global Affairs & Public Policy. She is also a faculty affiliate at the University of Toronto Transportation Research Institute. She is an economic geographer and urban planner and her research focuses on the transformation of cities as a result of economic, social, and cultural change. For more information on her research, visit

  • Benjamin Gillies

    Benjamin Gillies is a Research Fellow at the MIT Urban Mobility Lab. He is a co-founder and the executive director of the Winnipeg Trolley Company, which provides transportation and sightseeing around Winnipeg’s urban centre. He is also a co-founder of the Fools and Horses Coffee Company.