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The def­i­n­i­tion of life is in flux, com­plex­i­ty is over­rat­ed, and humans are shrink­ing.

Virus­es are sup­posed to be sleek, pared-down, dead-eyed machines. But when one micro­bi­ol­o­gist stum­bled upon a GIANT virus, hun­dreds of times big­ger than any seen before, all that went out the win­dow. The dis­cov­ery opened the door not only to a new cast of micro­scop­ic char­ac­ters with names like Mimivirus, Mamavirus, and Megavirus, but also to basic ques­tions: How did we miss these until now? Have they been around since the begin­ning? What if evo­lu­tion could go … back­wards?

In this episode from 2015, join for­mer co-hosts Jad Abum­rad and Robert Krul­wich as they grill Radi­o­lab reg­u­lar Carl Zim­mer on these para­dox­i­cal virus­es – they’re so big that they can get their own virus­es! — and what they can tell us about the nature of life.