We get real on this week’s episode and talk about work, burnout, vol­un­teer labor, and how pod­cast­ing is not immune to the every­day stres­sors and chal­lenges that we are all feel­ing right about now! Two of our favorite schol­ars, Jen­nifer Lynn Sto­ev­er and Han­nah McGre­gor, join us to lend their per­spec­tives on the work of pod­cast­ing and sound stud­ies. We touch on the often-under acknowl­edged labor behind this work, dis­cuss ways to cre­ate per­son­al bound­aries around work expec­ta­tions, and learn about the con­cept of ​“hope labor.” Jen­nifer Lynn Sto­ev­er is an Asso­ciate Pro­fes­sor of Eng­lish at Bing­ham­ton Uni­ver­si­ty, Co-Founder and Edi­tor-in-Chief of Sound­ing Out!: The Sound Stud­ies Blog, and the author of The Son­ic Col­or Line. Han­nah McGre­gor is Assis­tant Pro­fes­sor of Pub­lish­ing at Simon Fras­er Uni­ver­si­ty as well as co-direc­tor of the Ampli­fy Pod­cast Net­work and co-cre­ator of Witch, Please, a fem­i­nist pod­cast on the world of Har­ry Potter.