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Since Roe V. Wade was over­turned last sum­mer, it’s hard­er than ever to access abor­tion ser­vices. But it’s nev­er been easy in the rur­al mid­west and south­ern states, even when Roe was the law of the land. We sat down with staff at All Options Preg­nan­cy Resource Cen­ter in Bloom­ing­ton, Indi­ana to talk about how they han­dle an increase in need for fund­ing the ris­ing cost of abortion.

They do a lot, but there’s one thing they can’t do. They can’t talk to clients about self-man­aged abor­tion, even though experts at the World Health Orga­ni­za­tion say it’s safe and effective.

While abor­tion is debat­ed in the Amer­i­can court sys­tem, we talk with researcher Dr. Melis­sa Madera to learn about the ways folks are get­ting access to abor­tion pills, what to expect from a self-man­aged abor­tion and what peo­ple should know about the risk for criminalization.

Fea­tured: Dr. Man­ju­laa Narasimhan: Sci­en­tist, Depart­ment of Sex­u­al and Repro­duc­tive Health and Research at the World Health Organization

Dr. Melis­sa Madera: Founder of Abor­tion Diary Pod­cast, Choix Tele­health team mem­ber, Researcher on Project SANA team, Spe­cial Projects Con­sul­tant for Plan C Pills

Jes­si­ca March­bank: State Pro­grams Man­ag­er at All Options Preg­nan­cy Resource Cen­ter in Bloom­ing­ton, Indiana

Loret­ta Ross: Activist, Pub­lic Intel­lec­tu­al, Pro­fes­sor, Call­ing In move­ment mak­er, Co-founder of Sis­ter Song, A God­moth­er to repro­duc­tive jus­tice & sur­vivor advocate

Wes: Bloom­ing­ton res­i­dent and vol­un­teer at All Options Preg­nan­cy Resource Center