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Freakonomics

For years, Gary Cohn thought he’d be the next C.E.O. of Gold­man Sachs. Instead, he became the adult in the room” in a chaot­ic admin­is­tra­tion. Cohn talks about the fights he won, the fights he lost, and the fights he was no longer will­ing to have. Also: why he and Trump are still on speak­ing terms even after he report­ed­ly called the pres­i­dent a pro­fes­sion­al liar.”