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Mun­ya Andrews is an Indige­nous woman from the Kim­ber­ley region of West­ern Aus­tralia. Born to an Abo­rig­i­nal woman and Scot­tish father, she is proud of her Abo­rig­i­nal and Celtic her­itage. Her Bar­di ​‘salt­wa­ter’ peo­ple come from the Dampi­er Penin­su­la and the off­shore islands north of Broome. Regard­ed by Mel­bourne Uni­ver­si­ty as a ​“lead­ing Aus­tralian thinker,” Mun­ya is an accom­plished author and bar­ris­ter with degrees in anthro­pol­o­gy and law. Edu­cat­ed in Aus­tralia and the Unit­ed States, she is fas­ci­nat­ed by com­par­a­tive reli­gions, lan­guages, mythol­o­gy and sci­ence, and is intrigued by the way in which they inter­act and inform each oth­er. Mun­ya’s book, ​“Jour­ney into Dream­time,” is an easy guide to Abo­rig­i­nal spir­i­tu­al­i­ty that explains Dream­time con­cepts in a sim­ple way. Mun­ya’s life pur­pose is to cre­ate bet­ter under­stand­ing and appre­ci­a­tion of Abo­rig­i­nal peo­ple, leav­ing behind a lega­cy of Dream­time wis­dom for gen­er­a­tions to come. Mun­ya’s long term vision is to cre­ate a fair­er, more inclu­sive Aus­tralian soci­ety, which rec­og­nizes and pays respect to its First Nations peo­ple. Fol­low­ing Tiokas­in’s talk with Mun­ya, he and Mal­colm Burn, FVR’s show engi­neer and host of ​“The Long Way Around” on Radio Kingston, dis­cuss greed, while con­tem­plat­ing the title of the clos­ing song, ​“Every­body Wants to Rule the World.” Tiokasin asks, How does one get to rule the world? Answer: ​“By turn­ing your back on Moth­er Nature/​Mother Earth.” Fol­low­ing this train of thought, Tiokasin talks about greed, which he says is a being, a val­ue that many peo­ple in the U.S. and West­ern Hemi­sphere don’t under­stand. What if greed had a cost; what if one had to pay some­thing for greed? Mal­colm says that we live in a cul­ture where greed is kind of cel­e­brat­ed and is expect­ed on a cer­tain lev­el ​“turn on the tele­vi­sion and every­one wants more of every­thing, big­ger this, big­ger that, more; our cul­ture is con­sumer based.” Both agree that greed is a char­ac­ter­is­tic of the wasicu and the windi­go (the one who is nev­er sat­is­fied). Tiokasin says there is no cer­e­mo­ny to accept greed intel­li­gent­ly. Greed is a being. How is it treat­ing you and how are you treat­ing it?