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As this show was being pro­duced, the news came that the Supreme Court has upheld part of Don­ald Trump’s Mus­lim Ban — the part block­ing new refugees com­ing from six major­i­ty-Mus­lim nations. The jus­tices reversed rul­ings by a fed­er­al judge in Hawaii and the U.S. 9th Cir­cuit Court of Appeals in San Fran­cis­co. The ban will affect some 24,000 refugees seek­ing asy­lum, among them those flee­ing war-torn Syr­ia. We focus today on the human cost of war. Jour­nal­ist Deb­o­rah Camp­bell tells us about her book, A Dis­ap­pear­ance in Dam­as­cus: Friend­ship and Sur­vival in the Shad­ow of War. Then, we re-air our inter­view ear­li­er this year with Melis­sa Flem­ing about her book, A Hope More Pow­er­ful Than the Sea: One Refugee’s Incred­i­ble Sto­ry of Love, Loss, and Sur­vival. The books tell the sto­ries of two refugees, one who fled Iraq into Syr­ia and then had to flee Syr­ia to the Unit­ed States — long before Trump’s Mus­lim ban. The oth­er sto­ry is about a Syr­i­an refugee who bare­ly sur­vived the treach­er­ous cross­ing from Turkey to Europe to reset­tled in the far more wel­com­ing coun­try of Swe­den. Both sto­ries are about the real cost of war — a cost few Amer­i­cans ever get to see.